Vhailorx wrote: x-23, (passive true healing!) maybe kingpin.
Crowl wrote: Vhailorx wrote: x-23, (passive true healing!) maybe kingpin. Would you disagree with the most recent character rankings then and put x-23 ahead of kp if you had to decide on one or the other to max next? Trying to decide who gets my next 300k or so of iso and those two have a cover waiting to be used too.
Vhailorx wrote: Yup, passive true healing > slightly higher max hp on a relatively slow character like kingpin. even though x-23's other powers are only decent. Kingpin isn't bad, but he just isn't good enough at anything to be a high priority. he's a bit slow (black is fast, but doesn't really work without cheap countdowns to fuel it). He does have self-acceleration, but it's not as cheap as someone like cyclops. And if you really want a battery that runs on purple ap you should use Rulk. He's basically the 3* thor of 4* land. quite good when introduced; a bit slow, but tough and self-accelerating; and now completely surpassed by more recent releases that do everything he does better.
Crowl wrote: Vhailorx wrote: Yup, passive true healing > slightly higher max hp on a relatively slow character like kingpin. even though x-23's other powers are only decent. Kingpin isn't bad, but he just isn't good enough at anything to be a high priority. he's a bit slow (black is fast, but doesn't really work without cheap countdowns to fuel it). He does have self-acceleration, but it's not as cheap as someone like cyclops. And if you really want a battery that runs on purple ap you should use Rulk. He's basically the 3* thor of 4* land. quite good when introduced; a bit slow, but tough and self-accelerating; and now completely surpassed by more recent releases that do everything he does better. This was roughly my thinking with the two of them as well, even if she is dragged down by one attack being a trap.
Punisher5784 wrote: There has been several lists over the years but you might as well use the most common being the latest rankings from February (viewtopic.php?f=14&t=40430). This gives the player's opinion of who is great and who isn't.
Vhailorx wrote: And to editorialize on your examples:
loroku wrote: Punisher5784 wrote: There has been several lists over the years but you might as well use the most common being the latest rankings from February (viewtopic.php?f=14&t=40430). This gives the player's opinion of who is great and who isn't. Right - I'm very aware of that list and it's the reason I suggested this idea: so that we could get a better idea in closer to real time where characters were in a more general sense. Also aware of Northernpolarity's excellent guide. Vhailorx wrote: And to editorialize on your examples: And this is the inherent issue with rankings: unless you have a big name that's well-respected in the community setting "the list" and that's that, everyone immediately gets side-tracked by nit-picking. Which is ultimately fine - debate about who belongs in what tier is what we want - but until the list can really get off the ground it is counter-productive. I don't have enough experience in the current meta to really set a starting list. I'm hoping someone else can get the ball rolling and I'm happy to keep "the list" updated.
loroku wrote: I don't have enough experience in the current meta to really set a starting list. I'm hoping someone else can get the ball rolling and I'm happy to keep "the list" updated.
carrion pigeons wrote: The real value of character rankings is the reasoning behind them, which we didn't get in the last poll (beyond the 1*s). Knowing X-23 is good-but-not-meta-defining isn't really very informative. What I really want to know is, if I do invest into X-23, what role will she fill in the game and how does she fit on a ranking for that particular role, and also what characters does she work best with in the context of her role? If all you want is a straight list of quality, the character rankings poll is not so outdated that it isn't basically what you're looking for. I remember somebody writing a blog called "Pokemon of the Day/Week" several years ago which was a pretty popular resource for a fairly similar situation. It didn't rank Pokemon by quality, but it did go into a fair bit of detail about whether or not a particular one was "good" and general reasons for why someone would bother with it and how it could be effective. I think overall that's a better way to communicate genuinely useful information.
loroku wrote: carrion pigeons wrote: The real value of character rankings is the reasoning behind them, which we didn't get in the last poll (beyond the 1*s). Knowing X-23 is good-but-not-meta-defining isn't really very informative. What I really want to know is, if I do invest into X-23, what role will she fill in the game and how does she fit on a ranking for that particular role, and also what characters does she work best with in the context of her role? If all you want is a straight list of quality, the character rankings poll is not so outdated that it isn't basically what you're looking for. I remember somebody writing a blog called "Pokemon of the Day/Week" several years ago which was a pretty popular resource for a fairly similar situation. It didn't rank Pokemon by quality, but it did go into a fair bit of detail about whether or not a particular one was "good" and general reasons for why someone would bother with it and how it could be effective. I think overall that's a better way to communicate genuinely useful information. Certainly! But who is doing that now for MPQ? I guess my point was a general ranking by broad tiers is extremely practical because it's extremely easy to maintain. It's not the best information but it's useful and helpful to new people and at least it'd be current. The information you describe is obviously 100x better but it requires someone to put a lot of effort in. If someone wants to do that, great - but in the meantime, maybe we could do something easier? Or maybe not; there doesn't seem to be much interest in this idea, either.
carrion pigeons wrote: T What I really want to know is, if I do invest into X-23, what role will she fill in the game and how does she fit on a ranking for that particular role, and also what characters does she work best with in the context of her role?
BlackBoltRocks wrote: I enjoy these sorts of lists. I'll come up with my own rankings for the 4 and 5* tiers. Opinions all mine 5*Green Goblin - A+/S- Phoenix - A Surfer - B Black Spidey - B Old Man Logan - THE BOSS 4*Antman - C Carnage - B Cyclops - A+/S- Deadpool - A Devilsaur - urgh Drax - C Elektra - C Ghost Rider - B Howard - urgh Hulkcho - J for Joke Iceman - S IW - D+/C- Hulkbuster - S Jean Grey - S Kingpin - A Miles - C+/B- Mr Fantastic - D+/C- Nick Fury - B- Nova - A Professor X - A Quake - A Rulk - S Falcap - C SpiderGwen - C Starlord - C+ Punmax - A+ Thing - A+ Thorrina - A Venom - B- Xverine - B X-23 - A