Revolt Against the Consulate unwinnable ribbon

I'm very curious JC, how many ways have you personally won on that node, and what decks were you using?

The only solution I can see to get the secondary objectives involves Gonti's Aether Heart) and Electrostatic Pummeler. And if that's the only way then it's a very badly designed node. Pay to get a chance to get an OP card to win.

Heck, with the loyalty power I think my only shot at even winning is a creature less Ob Nix. Otherwise it'll steal my zombies, Olivia, Desolation Twin...

Designing an objective that deliberately excludes 95% of the playing population because they don't have particular combos of overpowered cards is a really discouraging direction to take this game.

Objectives should be based on skill and deckbuilding, not what awesome mythics you have.

Please post a video of getting that objective (win in 4 rounds) after the event if you please.

Hibernum_JC wrote:

Believe it or not, we do test these objectives.

It's not unwinnable. Very difficult, yes. Maybe a bit too difficult, yes.

Unwinnable? No. I have done it myself.

It's important to note that not all objectives and encounters will be beatable by all players. A lot depends on your available cards, deck building, planeswalker, etc.

I understand that you would be unlikely to share decks at this point but could you confirm whether the gonti heart card was part of the strategy?

I ask because even people who have this card (and therefore have little reason to see it nerfed) are stating it is clearly busted.

If not, that honestly makes me feel a little better about my own inadequacies (of which there are many) but if so it is extremely concerning that a card that effectively breaks the game is a cornerstone of a strategy to legitimately earn ribbons and therefore not on the list of cards to review. It would be reassuring to know that there are checks and balances for cards and combos that could impact the meta game.

I would like to reiterate that we like challenges. Challenges are right. Challenges are, for want of a better word, good.

Side note: I hope we can see some interaction on this topic and some engagement with the player base.

Thanks.

madwren wrote:

Designing an objective that deliberately excludes 95% of the playing population because they don't have particular combos of overpowered cards is a really discouraging direction to take this game.

Objectives should be based on skill and deckbuilding, not what awesome mythics you have.

I feel discouraged.

Hibernum_JC wrote:

Believe it or not, we do test these objectives.

It's not unwinnable. Very difficult, yes. Maybe a bit too difficult, yes.

Unwinnable? No. I have done it myself.

It's important to note that not all objectives and encounters will be beatable by all players. A lot depends on your available cards, deck building, planeswalker, etc.

Do you test with an a real player's deck or do you have access to EVERY card ?

jetnoctis wrote:

Hibernum_JC wrote:

Believe it or not, we do test these objectives.

It's not unwinnable. Very difficult, yes. Maybe a bit too difficult, yes.

Unwinnable? No. I have done it myself.

It's important to note that not all objectives and encounters will be beatable by all players. A lot depends on your available cards, deck building, planeswalker, etc.

Worryingly, more and more of the new objectives in this game are increasingly dependent on luck , regardless of how good your collection is. It is becoming the number 1 factor that determines whether you get the objective or not. I feel like we're having the effect of our skill diminished in order to compensate for the shortcomings of the AI. This is the type of situation which causes players to feel **** about the game.

agree, objectives like this or red NOP which are purely luck based is the main reason why people want to leave this game
How can I enjoy game which depends on how lucky you are
ofcourse its possible with any character to beat in 4 turns, all you need is endless 5 match cascade , and at least one card draw card. this combination will let you place limitless critters
Is it possible ? well there is a 0.0001 for this to happen but its still a chance therefore its not IMpossible QC passed 100% lol

Remember good old days of avacyn event when we were enjoying this game ?

I've got a feeling that this is a deliberate design and there is nothing"broken" in this picture

I have been playing this game from the beginning and put up with alot of frustration from bugs, cheaters, and lack of communication from devs but this is a whole new level of suck. I despise the direction this game is heading. I love playing competitively but these impossible to achieve objectives are killing the fun.

We will look at the stats and re-evaluate the balancing for this speed objective specifically. I understand that it is most likely overtuned and while it is possible it is very difficult to achieve.

As for my other comment, I think I should rephrase it to make it a bit clearer.

Events like this are made to be fun for all levels of players, from beginners to end-game players who have a high understanding of the game. As such, the encounters vary in difficulty.

We purposefully balanced this event so the first encounters are easier than they were before so they are more accessible, while the last encounters are harder than before so that the end-game players also are challenged and do not steamroll the entire event. The difficulty being higher contributes to that and makes you rethink your decks and how you approach combat. Unlike PvP where you are always on equal ground in terms of mana gains, hp and abilities, in PvE we can design encounters that have a very different challenge to them.

If I can say one thing a bit more personally, it's this. The usual philosophy I have when designing and balancing events is usually to try and make them harder than what I usually think. The logic behind that is that there obviously are better players than me, who find card combinations we haven't thought of and who are extremely good at exploiting certain aspects of the game. This is 100% to be expected, and I want some of these encounters to be challenging for even our strongest players. Beating everything easily is really the opposite of fun.

I hope this clears things up, but I will seriously look into the speed objective. Like I said, I achieved it, but it was pretty hard, and I most likely went at it a bit too harsh this time around. The beauty of the game is that we are able to fix our mistakes in the upcoming times this event will run.