chamber44 wrote: i LOVE fighting 1-3 covered 5*'s with my 3* roster. I'm not being sarcastic.
HaywireII wrote: Isn't the scaling test that's supposed to take place during the venom heroic going to take number of covers into account?
tanis3303 wrote: Greeeaaattttt....that's going to absolutely screw me over. It's going to see my 4, 5 and 6 cover 5*s and consider me a "softcapper" isn't it? I'm keeping them unleveled not because of some attempt to game the system, but because the 5* game, to me, is boring as hell, and not a game I even want to play. If they force it on me with their new scaling, I'm not sure I'll continue playing.
Malcrof wrote: tanis3303 wrote: Greeeaaattttt....that's going to absolutely screw me over. It's going to see my 4, 5 and 6 cover 5*s and consider me a "softcapper" isn't it? I'm keeping them unleveled not because of some attempt to game the system, but because the 5* game, to me, is boring as hell, and not a game I even want to play. If they force it on me with their new scaling, I'm not sure I'll continue playing. This is a great point, going to pass this along, i don't think 5*s should count.. as they cost loads of iso to level, and some just aren't ready
Eddiemon wrote: Malcrof wrote: tanis3303 wrote: Greeeaaattttt....that's going to absolutely screw me over. It's going to see my 4, 5 and 6 cover 5*s and consider me a "softcapper" isn't it? I'm keeping them unleveled not because of some attempt to game the system, but because the 5* game, to me, is boring as hell, and not a game I even want to play. If they force it on me with their new scaling, I'm not sure I'll continue playing. This is a great point, going to pass this along, i don't think 5*s should count.. as they cost loads of iso to level, and some just aren't ready But a fully covered 5 star even at 255 is a force to be reckoned with. Heck people use a single cover Phoenix or OML if the cover provides regeneration so being completely blind to 5 stars just changes how we need to exploit the scaling algorithm. If you have a 5 or 6 cover 5 star sitting around, unless it is a 1/0/5 surfer you have serious firepower in your roster. The fact that you're choosing not to level it doesn't change that fact. Also given that 2 star rosters who luck into a 5 star cover use it in PvP because it is seriously way beyond anything else in their roster. Should other 2 star players who haven't gotten lucky now be fodder because the 5 star is invisible to matchmaking? Toning down single cover 5 star scaling is good, but making the system blind to them is rife with exploits.
Whopperdown wrote: Well my 1/0/2 OML is useless without a yellow cover. Maybe something that takes into effect having at least 1 of every color.
Eddiemon wrote: Whopperdown wrote: Well my 1/0/2 OML is useless without a yellow cover. Maybe something that takes into effect having at least 1 of every color. Well that just encourages people to build a Logan who lacks black or red so it is invisible. Or run riot with a 5/5/0 Hulkbuster that the algorithm can't see. As soon as you add a deliberate blind spot to an algorithm people will exploit the tinkyitty out of it unfortunately.
Whopperdown wrote: Eddiemon wrote: Malcrof wrote: tanis3303 wrote: Greeeaaattttt....that's going to absolutely screw me over. It's going to see my 4, 5 and 6 cover 5*s and consider me a "softcapper" isn't it? I'm keeping them unleveled not because of some attempt to game the system, but because the 5* game, to me, is boring as hell, and not a game I even want to play. If they force it on me with their new scaling, I'm not sure I'll continue playing. This is a great point, going to pass this along, i don't think 5*s should count.. as they cost loads of iso to level, and some just aren't ready But a fully covered 5 star even at 255 is a force to be reckoned with. Heck people use a single cover Phoenix or OML if the cover provides regeneration so being completely blind to 5 stars just changes how we need to exploit the scaling algorithm. If you have a 5 or 6 cover 5 star sitting around, unless it is a 1/0/5 surfer you have serious firepower in your roster. The fact that you're choosing not to level it doesn't change that fact. Also given that 2 star rosters who luck into a 5 star cover use it in PvP because it is seriously way beyond anything else in their roster. Should other 2 star players who haven't gotten lucky now be fodder because the 5 star is invisible to matchmaking? Toning down single cover 5 star scaling is good, but making the system blind to them is rife with exploits. Well my 1/0/2 OML is useless without a yellow cover. Maybe something that takes into effect having at least 1 of every color.
Eddiemon wrote: If you have a 5 or 6 cover 5 star sitting around, unless it is a 1/0/5 surfer you have serious firepower in your roster. The fact that you're choosing not to level it doesn't change that fact.
Malcrof wrote: HaywireII wrote: Isn't the scaling test that's supposed to take place during the venom heroic going to take number of covers into account? Yes
SnowcaTT wrote: Well before 5*'s, I've often wondered aloud here why scaling doesn't just discount the top "X" number of your characters and go from there. It probably would benefit soft-cappers to much - they could max a couple of 4*'s and just go from there. Now I think scaling/MMR ignoring to top of your roster equal to the number of 5*'s in existence (currently four) would be great. Low-levels: you get a couple of 5*'s? They are ignored, it looks at your next few (166+ or whatever your highest 4* is). High-levels: you have 5*'s? Either your top four 270's are ignored (your scaling goes to the base 5*'s, 255) or your top 5*'s are ignored (your scaling goes to next max, 270+) Side benefit: the 5* players are "only" scaled to all of their 270+++'s, you don't have to further "fix" the game to make characters continue to scale up past 395.