Why are event tokens so terrible

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jredd wrote:

c'mon d3, pull your socks up and stop being so stingy with the percentages.

I'd take 1 or 2 CP (or even 1000 ISO) over the miserable odds of a pve token. In the early days they were a source of excitement and anticipation. Now just frustration.

All token pulls are trash as far as I'm concerned.

I'll keep saying it knowing it'll never happen, but pulls should be based off your roster. Makes no sense to me that PvE scaling and PvP's MMR are based on your roster, but the node rewards and token percentage are all the same for all. It's being stingy with imaginary currency.

Incentive for players to keep playing and/or spending money to prolong the lifespan of the game and to maintain an appropriate developer effort to profit ratio.

I don't understand. Are you expecting tokens to be some kind of a reward? With value?

That's what Crit Boosts are there for.

gravel wrote:

Champ the 2*s all the way, sell them, and rebuild them. Then the new ones aren't trash.

The end result is slightly Iso-negative, though. Rebuilding that champ costs you more than you get, unless it's one of those that give specific 3* covers you're looking for. Someone in the 2* turnover thread said it's basically like a bank loan. If you intend to rebuild and champ again, you're going to return the entire value with interest. It's really useful for when you need an immediate Iso infusion, but cycling isn't a good long-term investment vs just selling the covers.

The Herald wrote:

Calnexin wrote:

gravel wrote:

Champ the 2*s all the way, sell them, and rebuild them. Then the new ones aren't trash.

The end result is slightly Iso-negative, though. Rebuilding that champ costs you more than you get, unless it's one of those that give specific 3* covers you're looking for. Someone in the 2* turnover thread said it's basically like a bank loan. If you intend to rebuild and champ again, you're going to return the entire value with interest.

That view is entirely contingent on placing no value upon tokens, fixed 3* covers, CP, Hero Points...

Not to mention being able to get 4* covers from the fourteen 3*s that get fed by the 2*s. If you are farming them and have all the requisite 3*s champed it is definitely not ISO negative.

Having said that it does take a lot of ISO invested to get to that point. I am about 3 weeks away from having a fully functional farm ready (just need to champ Rags, 3Spidey, Hawkeye and Ares) and it took about two months to get there. I've been hoarding pretty much every non-event token during this time so that I can flip the champs all at once after I have them all done.

Calnexin wrote:

The Herald wrote:

That view is entirely contingent on placing no value upon tokens, fixed 3* covers, CP, Hero Points...

Here's the analysis https://d3go.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=45247.

Zikato wrote:

Total: -7.779

Non-ISO rewards
375 = 125 from selling, 250 from champion rewards
5x heroic tokens (can equal 1.250 if sold)
3x hero specific 3* (can equal 1.500 if sold)
5

There was some back-and-forth in the thread, but it didn't differ much. Assuming you don't get a 3-4* out of the heroics and sell them all you're looking at 5k Iso for 375 HP + 5 CP.

Whether it's worth it depends on where you're at in the game. I'm thinking about rebuilding 2-3 of my 2* max-champs for the immediate boost, but I don't just get them back to that state automatically with covers. If I want to recycle I'm going to have to pay more Iso than I received from the sale to bring them back, and that can take awhile.

IIRC, that -7779 ISO is actually compared to just selling the 63 covers you need straight out. If we're just talking cost to champ+cost to max vs. rewards plus cost of selling a fully maxed champ, you actually make about 7000 ISO (67000 + 7500 cost vs. 66000 + 15000 reward).

We_are_Venom wrote:

They are trash. Most of the time I don't even bother to look at what I get I just tap the screen assuming it's a 2* and only a couple times have I been wrong. There is no reason these tokens should give 2* as plenty are gained from standard, PvP wins and PvE/PvP progression/placement. 3* aren't exactly hard to get either but that SHOULD BE the bare minimum qualification for calling something "heroic".

Except that most 2 star players, especially early on, aren't going to be getting many PvP wins, so their primary source of 2 star covers is going to be heroic level tokens (heroics, event, and taco, which they can only earn one of a day) and the occasional PvE placement. It's kind of obvious that the game is designed to have the one and two star transitions go fast in order to get you hooked, and the 3 and 4 star transition to go much slower (seemingly mostly as a remnant of the fact that the 3 star transition started out as the final one).

hodayathink wrote:

IIRC, that -7779 ISO is actually compared to just selling the 63 covers you need straight out. If we're just talking cost to champ+cost to max vs. rewards plus cost of selling a fully maxed champ, you actually make about 7000 ISO (67000 + 7500 cost vs. 66000 + 15000 reward).

I'm sure I'll go back and look at the thread, maybe work the math myself, but I think the original assessment of -Iso is correct. Just based on selling and assuming average luck, you don't make Iso on the deal. BUT, the tradeoff w/ cover advancement is potentially worthwhile.

I took the plunge last night - sold two maxchamps and used the Iso to champ two languising fully-covered 2*s. I wound up ~ 15k in the hole after those transactions. That's not bad - it's one day of DDQ for a single character, and I'd already reaped the other rewards. I maintain it's Iso-negative, but overall could be game-positive. It really does depend on where you're at in the game and whether you have the resources to support that cycling effort.