PVP: Retaliation Cooldown and Penalizing Late Comers

If that screenshot is legit, that's one of the most epic trolls ever.

The easiest way I can think of to promote early play would be to have a set amount of points locked in based on when you start and what you earn, I seem to bottom out around 400 when people are attacking me and I'm not shielded, so apply a bonus to that number based on join time and matches played or points earned. So if you join on day 1 and grind to 1k (for argument sake) then you won't fall below 600 or so when the inevitable wave of retaliations hit. Day 2 if you grind up to 1k again you get to save 800, and so on. Those familiar with how gold is earned in Dota 2 will get the basic concept (safe gold and whatnot)

Obviously numbers would need to be tweaked as I just threw those out to illustrate the point, but it would give people a reason to join early so they won't necessarily have to rely on shields as much except for the final push.

Guys, I agree with most of what is being said. The suggestions are great, but they have HUGE repercussions in every aspect of the game. I am not playing Devils Advocate here, but you must see things from another perspective.

For example, recent PvP point changes made everyone boost their overall score, meaning more people are claiming the progression rewards, even if being bombed afterwards. In the previous system, it could only reach 650 pts if I had a strong event champion, my normal score would hover between 500-550 pts. Now I can reach 800 pts with same roster and dream about reaching 1k for the 4-star. Even being nuked down by retaliations, my final placement is somewhat the same of the old system (fighting for top 100).

So, basically, this change made overall scores increase, but not changing much overall placement. The net gain is earning more progression rewards. I am sure this season will have a spike on number of players that earned thr 10-pack from 4k pts reward.

So, lets think how adding retaliation cooldown would affect the game as it is today. Basically, there would be fewer point drops, meaning people would reach even higher placement rewards. Suddendly, reaching 1k pts wouldnt be an accomplishment, just something expected... Progression Rewards aready needs serious revamping, specially after reaching the 4k overall pts. Moving the 4-star reward to 1500 pts, would just feel like they gave you stronger legs to climb a ladder, but doubled its size. Please, dont get me wrong.. I love this idea and already suggested something similar in other posts. This should be implemented, but there is a lot to think about.

Other impact of this chance would be a drop on shield purchases. Right now, as the game is, I can pretty much pay for my 3-hour shield with HP earned through progression. In scale, this should already represent some loss of revenue to the devs. Retalliation cooldowns will represent even more loss.

They doubled the health packs. While this helps a lot in PvE, sustained pushes before shielding, etc.. this also represent another loss of revenue.

There is a movement towards removing the ability to purchase covers. This is also a huge drop in revenue.

Roster slots price now capping at 1k HP. While this doesnt impact 99% of th players, if this rendency progresses, more revenue loss.

First the dev will have to see if the game remains sustainable after the planned changes. Then perhaps add new purchase options, like team-up boosts, to counter balance the loss the suggestions presented here will bring.

We only care about our fun. They care for our fun, but must think on the business aspect of the game as well.

I completely agree with you shurak. People should enjoy the game to both continue playing and to refer it to others. That is precisely the best way to improve revenue: adding new players (while keeping the existent ones)

The point I was trying to make is not that these suggestions shouldnt be heard. I am one of those that support them. I just pointed that these changes have a broader impact then it first meet the eyes. While dropping 250 pts is frustrating, earning 500 feels great. So when you see things in this the perspective you can often hit ppl for 40+, it is not the end of the world that you lose 25 in one attack. The latest changes were made to fix an PVP exploit (back to back retaliation losses to farm points) while making rewards more accessible.

The problem with the current system is that is so much more worthy to attack close to the end because of the huge leaps in pts you get from minimally being behind someone in the score, that playing throughout the event is rarely rewarding.

I thought on a few changes that could help fix this, not sure if it would actually work but here it goes:

-Each PVP event has a 3 day duration. Make that, from event start, every 24 hours rewards are given, based on players current standing position. It could be cumulative (reward those in top 100 position, every day, for example) or exclusive (reward the top 100 point scorers of that particular day). The event final score would be the sum of all 3 days slices. (much like season score is the sum of all individual event scores.. ignore simulator). Muck like what PvE is today (mini events that give rewards and add to event total for other rewards)

-Remove retaliation entirely. Player gets free skips based on number of attacks received.

Other more radical suggestion would be having a more accurate "power level" grade and have events (and rewards) scale with it.

- Develop a better algorithm to assess power level. It shouldnt be based merely on total number of covers (i have plenty 2-stars with 13 covers that havent been leveled up, and many 4-stars with 1 or 2 covers). Rather, it should be a hybrid between number of covers and total level, and much less about last position clinched). Then, have different rewards for each power level groups (maybe 5 or 7 different groups) Lowest groups fight for 3-star characters, while higher power levels fight for 4-stars, for example.