Very Frustrating: No good queues after 1100

Could have been any number of factors, but I've gone hours without finding a good Q in plenty of slices. It just depends when you're playing and what the hop schedule of the main pack is.

They're there, you just need to know when

Hendross wrote:

I suspect there was a stealth change, I had similar frustrations. I couldn't find anything over 40 points above 800. Then I lost almost 300 points, which took me well below my equilibrium despite 2 maxed, buffed 4 stars. So, once again it was 900 and done for me after re-climbing and 1 shield.

This was for both, A.Venom and Dr.Ock events.

Alternate theory, there was no stealth change, I suspect a lot of people have given up on hitting 1200 altogether and just stop at 900 therefore a lot less points available.

aesthetocyst wrote:

Oh, and just between you and me ... sometimes, the players who do the yeoman's work of starting early, climbing early, to take the lead and build points into the slice, you know, the guys who want to climb as high as possible and in so doing make it possible for all those who follow to climb as well ... well, sometimes, they collude. They get their work done early, shield out, and freeze out all the leec—er, late-climbers. Seeing as how late-climbers in their desperation can have unfortunate sniping tendencies, they are not missed when they decide to move on.

Remember, "targets" are people, too. Start early. Take your time. Save yourself some stress. Work with the slice, not off of it.

While I'd prefer the word "cooperate" to "collude" I think Aesthetocyst is absolutely right: targets are people too. You can take my points, or we can work together and I'll make sure you know when my points will be available to you without losing them myself. Above a certain level, it's a zero sum game unless you are striving to hit shielded opponents. If only there was a way to know... [cough] shield check room [/cough]

There are tons and tons of Qs and points available in S4, which I play in. You just need to look in the right places. I was 8th place in my alliance and still found 3500 in this last one. Good luck!

- Quibbles

mpqr7 wrote:

I feel like I'm doing all the right things. I'm buying tokens. I'm doing multiple shield hops. I'm playing PVE to the fullest. But nothing matters because I'm mostly just either not pulling the covers I want or else pulling non-championed dupes (d'oh!). And due to this PVP change, I'm getting less CP than ever.

you have the basic tactics down, you just need to put it all together in 1 complete package. One thing you don't mention is are your REALLY working with people or just sharing info?

There is a difference. For a change of play, partner up with 3 other similar players who will commit to the same hop schedule. Once your ACTIVELY coordinating play with 3 other similar players, you will see a major change in scoring.

In one pvp, I worked with 3 other committed players and we hit 1200 in the first 12 hours of the event. Thats when you see the real power of how players can coordinate.

aesthetocyst wrote:

Phumade wrote:

aesthetocyst wrote:

Remember, "targets" are people, too. Start early. Take your time. Save yourself some stress. Work with the slice, not off of it.

This is so insanely true. Bakers today have evolved their tactics and playstyles. Removing "traditional" cc removed a "mini game" that many high level rosters played. Now different schedules and playstyles enjoy an advantage in play. It will shake out over time, but definitively give yourself time to adapt.

I'll guarantee that the way you played 1 year ago is pretty different than 6 months and how you played differently.

Funny you mentioned that. I'd say the way PVP plays now is almost exactly the way it was played in 2014, the only difference being cut up into slices and hoppers being constrained by cooldowns.

Hard to disagree, Its still important to figure out other people's play schedule. But higher level rosters and more knowledge players are much more common than in the days of hood/XFW et all...

People are much more intuned with how high they can float before they need to shield/protect points. Plus how we deal with each other now is very different from then.

We all remember the philosophical debates about snipers, bakers, alliance loyalty, mercs. In that day and age, it wasn't as easy to merc and expectations on both commander and player sides were much higher. i.e. hard core hybrids were much more common, commanders were much quicker to cut, players just didn't have the same kinda options that are available now.

mpqr7 wrote:

Also I don't think I should be penalized for doing most of my rising late.

BUT I do agree that early risers should be REWARDED more than they are now. They should be given more of a reason to do that. Perhaps bonus prizes that can only be reached at the start of the PVP?

Replying to both comments. First, you can definitely get higher than 300 in the first hours, the more people are hit then, the higher the points due to the fact that hits less than 1000 points gain more than the person who is hit loses. I've seen 4* players get as high as 800 those first few hours. Doing so means your later climb to 1k should be a bit easier. You'll take a few more hits early on because there are fewer targets, but its basically free iso/establishing a float point. Also, youre not being penalized for climbing late, but the points tend to try up as many hoppers will shield out 8 hours out. This has nothing to do with the game set-up, more on people's habits when hopping. They're trying to avoid the zombie horde at the end.
Next, you say you shouldn't be penalized for late climbing, but that early climbers should be awarded more. Isn't that basically self-contradictory? Or are you suggesting all prizes be raised? Early climbers have more of a chance at higher progression, yes, but event rewards and even progression rewards / event placement don't change the later you join. If you got lucky and climbed the last 90 minutes of a pvp event in a new bracket and all the way to 1200 (entirely possible), you get the same rewards as people that have been playing the whole 72 hours. More, even, because you've spent far less hp to get there. Pve, on the other hand, you have absolutely no shot at progression if you start the last day. As far as bonus awards at the start of pvp, theres plenty. They're called seals (anyone in the SSOLU will know what a seal is). Regardless, people are trying to steer you in the right direction, you seem reluctant to move/change your gameplay. If you keep getting the same results, youve got no right to complain.

cozmo1682 wrote:

Phumade wrote:

mpqr7 wrote:

I feel like I'm doing all the right things. I'm buying tokens. I'm doing multiple shield hops. I'm playing PVE to the fullest. But nothing matters because I'm mostly just either not pulling the covers I want or else pulling non-championed dupes (d'oh!). And due to this PVP change, I'm getting less CP than ever.

you have the basic tactics down, you just need to put it all together in 1 complete package. One thing you don't mention is are your REALLY working with people or just sharing info?

There is a difference. For a change of play, partner up with 3 other similar players who will commit to the same hop schedule. Once your ACTIVELY coordinating play with 3 other similar players, you will see a major change in scoring.

In one pvp, I worked with 3 other committed players and we hit 1200 in the first 12 hours of the event. Thats when you see the real power of how players can coordinate.

I guess I dont 100% understand how this works. Seems like i barely see the people around me on the leaderboard when I'm skipping for points. How exactly do you work together with other players when its kind of random to find opponents. Do you guys trade hits and shields or attack the same folks? I used to get to 800 easily, usually 900 and 1 out of 4 1k. Now, after i hit 725 its nothing but junk for 20, 25 points.

Thats because people are shielding lower due to no cc. If more floated higher, 800 would be easy, but people are too scared now. As far as how it works, gotta have at least 3 people with similar rosters, climb as high as possible. Once you can find each other, youre high enough. One shields, the other two hit, he qs up the others, second shields, 1st and 3rd hit, second queues them. Third shields, first and second hit, etc, etc.

Welcome Death wrote:

As far as how it works, gotta have at least 3 people with similar rosters, climb as high as possible. Once you can find each other, youre high enough. One shields, the other two hit, he qs up the others, second shields, 1st and 3rd hit, second queues them. Third shields, first and second hit, etc, etc.

Doesn't this result in 70-140pt hops? Does not compute, how people are still scoring over 3,000/event.